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uzurpan  
May 19, 2022
Can someone explain to me how can i hear diference in "Delay Control" between 3ms and 15ms, what I should pay attention to?
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Jobson Andrade
May 19, 2022
i thinks its how wide is the stereo image, between 0 - 40 ms we cant hear repetitions/separation but we hear a single sound with some illusion of stereo widening. Its called haas effect.
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uzurpan  
May 20, 2022
That's a clue. Thank you!
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Gunnar Maaß
May 21, 2022
Be careful, most of the sounds are mono and center panned, so no Haas should be happening. Its rather subtle depth or absence of depth to listen for imo. Some people also seem to internalize the texture of the comb filter by differences in tonal colouring or similarity to phasing or flanging effects.
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Ian Crewe
May 21, 2022
When I play with small delays like this on Ableton, I notice a flanging effect that is higher in pitch close to 1ms, then gradually drops as I move towards 15ms. So that might be a clue.
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Anthony Chognard
May 21, 2022
0-10ms: listen for phase issues: Slight chorus effect and big difference in the low end + midrange

10-40ms: haas effect: it sounds wider in the stereo image

+40ms: you should start hearing the delay
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uzurpan  
May 22, 2022
Thanks to all of you. I'll check all tips!
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Arthur Reich
May 22, 2022
actually whats happening is phase cancelling/adding, you can look up how it looks like when adding sin and tan for example. It actually changes the waveform in a regular sheme, thats why we can hear it as Phase/Flange/Chorus. Every few ms sound different, just exercise a bit and you'll have it. I think practical you will anyways swipe through the ms when you want such an effect or your phaser/flanger/chorus (which also change the ms automatically) will do the job. So i think it is not even important to remember the different ms. Just good to get aware of it.
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Hugo Paris
May 22, 2022
@Anthony Chognard this is a very helpful reply, thank you.

Do you have a technique do differenciate delay times in the 0-10ms range? that's the part I struggle the most with.
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Anthony Chognard
May 23, 2022
@Hugo Paris You're welcome! I find that the closer you are to 1ms the more it sounds phasy and funky eq wise. Like listen to your low end or low mid with 1ms delay and it's almost gone.
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Gunnar Maaß
May 24, 2022
An idea for the 0-4ms range:

Take a book with a big cover or an Ipad. Close your eyes and make a sshh noise at the book while gradually varying the distance of the book from directly in front of your mouth to arms length. A 1ms delay corresponds with a characteristic boost at 1000Hz, dip at 500Hz and a reflection distance of about 20cm. These numbers scale easily (2ms has a characteristic boost at 500Hz, reflection distance of about 40cm etc). Off course its a different story when you have samples with different harmonic characteristics that are destoryed to various degrees by the comb filter, but it makes the task for white noise like signals a bit more approachable I guess.
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Hugo Paris
May 25, 2022
@Anthony Chognard @Gunnar Maaß so helpful - thank you both!