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Aart dB
May 05, 2024
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Adrián Quiroz
May 05, 2024
private link :s will listen when public :))))
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Aart dB
May 05, 2024
Thanks for letting me know. It's the first time I try this google drive. Hope it works now:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13SJChfOP7XxcBicJ6n2fm-YcKK5fh_Jp/view?usp=sharing
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Ron Allen
May 05, 2024
Hey Aart. I think your lead vocal could come up a little. Interesting EQ choice on the main acoustic guitar. It sounds a little mid heavy to me - maybe that is masking the vocal some. Overall, I think you could add some warmth to this track. Cello 1 is a good candidate for that.
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Adrián Quiroz
May 06, 2024
yes link worked :)))))) ok very nice panning, I liked your vision in this mix and your placements throughout the stereo field! I think it actually added to the acoustic feeling, its a cozy room and not everything is front and center, im sitting and there is a cello behind me, vocal is at the right, basically scattered in the room. (I HATE dolby atmos btw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂) so not going into 7.5.1!!!!

excellent drum loop! your use of compression really made it sound punchy and vibey. hard
compressing and making stuff sound good is not an easy task, so props for that!!

one tiny tinyyy thing: rev crash is really, really annoying. what I did was just bring it the fuck down so that it would not annoy me anymore lol, maybe you could do the same here :)))

overall, simple mix, simple result, but amazing sound. yes maybe some vocal levelling automation like Ron said, just to accentuate parts where it gets buried (drum section)
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Clemens Müller
May 06, 2024
Hi Aart, Nice cleaned up mix! For my taste it could come a bit more upfront, I find it a bit restrained somehow. I think thats mainly because what the others already said, that the vocals could stand out more. The reverb on the main acoustic which is quite present in the beginning I would have loved on the vocals. The overall sound and panning is nice! The loop has a cool sound but I would have liked it more centered. And yes, a bit more warm body would be good, I would also say ;)
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Aart dB
May 06, 2024
Thank you guys, for listening and taking the time to analyse. Concerning the vocal, I was afraid it still sounded too loud. The vocal recording has something which I don't like, and making the vocal more upfront would make that more obvious. Specially the first verse sounds too compressed, I automated the level to go quieter. I should have used an expander to undo the heavy compression.
I also noticed how the auditioning sound level influences the balance of how it's perceived. For instance on a low listening level vocals tend to move more back, while listening on a louder level makes them more forward.

@Ron Allen
Thank you, I think the EQ of the plucked guitar is very natural and warm, but you made me realise that it causes some masking the vocal, just like you said. I tried a little unmasking and it makes the vocal more present indeed. I think on the other hand that my mix doesn't lack in warmth. But that could be a matter of taste. I brought the cellos back to a level where they don't muddy up the mix. I think more warmth would do exactly that.
What often creates a false sense of warmth is a velvety reverb which covers the whole mix like a blanket, but that is something I wouldn't consider. I noticed the Spotify version of the song has that. Not my thing.

@Adrián Quiroz , thanks for the praise about the spacing of the mix. I recently started to use some plugins to make binaural earphone mixes, in a sence part of Dolby Atmos mixing system, which you don't like ;)))))
The drumloop has a moderate compression with ratio 1,5 only. But it makes a huge difference with the uncompressed track, it brings it to order, you might say. I also used quite a lot of saturation, to make it sound more fitting in. I love saturation and I use it a lot. If you hear the drumloop by itself, it even sounds distorted. But you don't notice it in the whole.
Yeah, the reverse crash, in the beginning I brought it really down. But a brainless last minute decision made me bring it back up a few notches. Bad decision!

@Clemens Müller , thank you. As I said, I am not a big fan of big reverbs, specially not on vocals. I think they mask too much the real vocal sound. I always thought reverb is good to mask a mediocre voice, to make it sound better. But I think this voice is good enough not to sound masked by reverb. I like more the natural sound. Is that what you meant by restrained?

Guys, I must tell you how I experienced the drum loop. This song is clearly made track by track. It wasn't a band performance. At some point the author decided to add a drum loop, but in a real situation the rest of the players would start playing louder and more energetic, from that point, but that doesn't happen. That's an unnatural situation which doesn't make sense. So in order to let it make a little sence, I placed the drum loop quite far away in order to make it more believeable in line with my observation.

Guys, I'd love to get reactions on any of the points I made. I don't say I am right, I just hope to provoke a discussion which would be beneficial for all of us, coming to new insights, and stuff.... ;)
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Clemens Müller
May 06, 2024
Hi Aart, yeah sorry, it's hard for me to describe what I really felt actually, even if I could write in my native language... ;) It was just a feeling that it's a bit tamed somehow. I don't think it's a reverb thing, might some missing impact in the drums and might be that the vocals are a bit too quiet for my taste or less bright (which in my case led to unwanted resonances as you wrote for my mix, your vocals are more tamed). And in the end it's probably just a matter of taste.
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Aart dB
May 06, 2024
Hey @Clemens Müller , no need to apologize. I get it. These days most comments are based on taste, I've noticed. Hardly any technical remarks, that's also a good sign, because there are much less technical errors to be noticed.