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Hello there,

I'm new on SoundGym and was wondering
1. how fast one can become better at some of the essentials (EQ & Compression mainly). I obviously still make a lot of mistakes, how far can you really get? Can you know at 200hz precision what the boosts and cuts are?
2. Do you think SoundGym on its own is enough if done on a daily basis, or would you complement with something else?
3. Can someone relate from his SoundGym experience whether he improved drastically? On my end I've had a lot of fun on a lot of exercises. I've even realised thanks to the panning game that my audio interface was unbalanced so I had to send it back (just for this SoundGym was worth it). I feel like I've improved in hearing compression already, but regarding EQ, I fear that I know the Acoustic Guitar very well know but the others are harder, which makes me wonder how useful the training is, isn't it to specific to the tracks being suggested?
4. Are we rewarded for switching tracks on games? Like do you earn more points doing drums then Guitar then kick etc?

Thanks a lot for your feedback, pretty excited about this new habit & journey.
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Hey Raymond,

1. Its a slowburn, dont rush it. The more you rush, the more you will burn out. From my point of view if you can head 1/3 octave differences (example: you can make a difference between 1000 Hz, 1300 hz, 1600hz, and 2000hz) in the next 2.3 month, that is more than enough! The rest depends on your abilities, but the rule of diminishing returns will apply! :)
200hz precision depends on the context (in low ranges that is a huge part, in higher ranges that is very tiny!)

2. Its far more than enough if you are looking for a daily workout, but you should do mixes as well to get experience. There are forums here that will give you multitracks, and even help you with feedbacks about your mix(es).

3. I have started my recording / mixing carrer by soundgym alone, and I already own a great studio in hungary with a lot of happy bands around it. Soundgym really does worth it, and equips you with a lot of practical experience that otherwise would be hard to achieve alone (or it would take a loooot of time - years or decades)

4. Yes, you are awarded with experience. Dont forget: its not about the points you receive, but the experience itself. Dont care about the points you get, and they will come to you fast.

Keep going, and practice as much as you are comfortable with!
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Joey Sabat
Sep 12
Don't forget that we listen to music with our brains, not our ears! This is why progress is a little slower than with other skills. I personally think SoundGym is essential to anyone willing to mix or master professionally. It made a big difference in the quality of my mixes.
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infaust _
Sep 12
What Kovács said is gold: don't obsess on the scores and mix actual songs. I think doing the daily routine without skipping too much is enough. You can participate on the weekly mixes in the Mixdown Training Room, organized by Magghy.
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Thank you so much for your answers, that helps a ton.

I'm going to stick to at least the daily workouts, and do a little more whenever possible.

I'll keep this thread up to date in the future, so that I get a feel of progress.

Current status:
8.2k SPI
8 workouts
198 games

I start to manage to hear the difference between 8:1 and 2:1 compression ratios with more consistency. I'm rarely making mistakes on the attach times.
I've made huge progress with hearing panning.

I still struggle a lot with bass frequencies.

I struggle as well with hearing the proper EQ cuts, hearing boosts sounds simpler 😅, maybe because I trained that more already.

With the guitar track, on EQ I'm easily hearing 100-250hz and 6khz+. I still have troubles with 1.5k to 6k. Sometimes confusing 600 with high end for whatever reason.

I'll try to report to myself every week 🤘
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Time for the weekly update.

Current status:
20k SPI
11 workouts
303 games

The EQ cuts in the kick cut starts to make a lot of sense. I'm not locking in on the thing I hear and isn't there and tweak until I get there and have had 100% success this day, even though I hadn't encountered some of the multi band cut patterns, very cool.

On the distortion game, I had to redo level 6 4-5 times to get it passed. I struggled at the last 2 stages of it, I couldn't hear the difference, and even the one time I passed, I basically had luck.
Sometimes I focus on low frequencies, sometimes on overall volume, but stage 11-12 I couldn't hear much, curious to hear what your tricks are to better hear distortion.

The EQ games start to be really cool as I'm not starting recognize things pretty quickly, especially 100-800.
I still struggle a lot with 1-8k depending on tracks.

Balance memory game seems a bit easy for now, not trying to max it out given it's nice to have a relaxing game in the workouts.

Reverb for now is pretty audible in general so made a bit of progress there.

I feel the progress :)

See you next week.
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Watch this Video on YouTube. It really helps u hearing certain frequencies.

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Much Love
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and honestly, it's not important to know if the frequency you're after is exactly 254,7 Hz. It's more important to know what range are you in. Ok it's around 200, now you can swipe 50 left or 50 right to get the one you're after.
I think what's cool about SoundGym is all the other games. Frequency guessing you can find anywhere.
By the way, you do feel improvement. Maybe a little fast improvement on the first couple of weeks, then VERY SLOW improvement.

Let me put it this way: It's easier to notice what you've lost (if you stop for a month, for example) than to notice what you're gaining.
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Raymond RUTJES
Sep 25, 13:32
The week is over already!

Current status:
71k SPI
19 workouts
452 games

Regarding EQ I start to better be able to hear difference between 300hz - 800hz, same goes for 1-5khz. I'm trying to go for whatever instrument SoundGym suggests because I realized some instruments like the kick have a very different feel when EQuing, I'm always aiming way to high when EQuing kick.

Panning games are now way to hard, I struggle to reach the next level. I see there is a training with pink noise, but I'm not sure to see yet how that really helps with panning. I have a mono button on my audio interface and use that to always start from the center so that I'm not biased by previous answer, but sometimes previous answer helps to figure out if the sound is even further on the same side so I'm not sure about that strategy but at least it puts my in a fresh setup every round.

Low end precision still isn't up to the level I would like, making frequent mistakes there, even struggle passing to the next levels right now.

On compression, I'm not sure what to listen for to hear the release time. I feel like I should focus on the "punch" most of the time, but even then I'm making mistakes over and over. Otherwise I realized that I should listen for overall compression to compare ratios and that is a great step forward now I only have to worry about release time.

Some reverbs are close to identical, need to crack those :)

Distortion difference sometimes isn't audible at all, especially on some instruments.
Using tracks with low end helps a lot.

See you next week, and let me know if you have any advice on the above, especially hearing compression release & distortion & low end EQ (or panning tricks).